Misconceptions About Atheism Debunked

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Introduction

    Few isms attract more controversy than atheism. Of course that comes with the territory when dissenting from religious belief in a world filled with people who still cling to it. Religion hasn't come very far when it comes to combating atheism. The reason for this is simple, apologists cannot offer answers to the questions posed by those of us who doubt the veracity of religious claims. This leads to misconceptions and half-truths about atheism being used to smear atheists. I'm going to deal with a few of these in this hub. Like any minority group atheists are likely to maligned or even face discrimination.

    Please note that atheism has no dogma so my answers may not be the same to those you'd get from another atheist.

George Carlin claimed that praying to Joe Pesci got his prayers answered about the same rate as praying to god.
George Carlin claimed that praying to Joe Pesci got his prayers answered about the same rate as praying to god.

Atheism is a Religion

The most common rebuttal to atheism offered by theists is that atheism is just as much a religion as Christianity or Islam is. The idea here, I suppose, is that if atheism is a religion we cannot honestly discuss issues of belief. We must, instead, cling to dogma and blind faith the way religious folks do. Well this is just nonsense. Atheism is not a religion.

In order for atheism to be a religion THEISM must be a religion. I'm gonna sit back and let that sink in for you...

Theism is not a religion, it has no dogma or ideology. Theism is simply a belief in God. Tell a theist this and they will be forced to agree, it is the definition of theism. Theists can be Christian, Hindu, Muslim, and even NON-RELIGIOUS. One doesn't need religion to believe in God. So how can not believing in something be a religion? Christian theists who don't believe in Allah are not in a religion called aislamism, they simply don't believe in Allah. Atheists simply don't have a belief in gods, that's it.

One common tactic amongst people claiming atheism is a religion is to claim that because atheism is an ISM it is a religion. But Communism, Socialism and Conservatism are all isms and they aren't religions they're political ideologies.

Lastly on this subject theists who use this tactic are making it seem that IF atheism WERE a religion that would be a bad thing. But they themselves are likely religious. So how can they bad mouth religion while being part of one?

Atheism Requires Faith

Do you have faith that Bigfoot isn't there?
Do you have faith that Bigfoot isn't there?

    This may sound insulting but atheism requires just as much faith as when you stopped believing in Santa Claus as a child. Seriously. When you grow up and realize the boogeyman was never in your closet to begin with it requires no faith to get a peaceful night's sleep.

    I realize that comparing God and Santa and the boogeyman may trigger a knee-jerk reaction in any theists who come across this hub but I feel the analogy fits. To me the Christian God is no more real than any fictional character in a story book or myth. In fact for most people God is just a myth their parents told them to believe. It requires no faith to disbelieve in fairies, mermaids, Zeus, aliens or bigfoot and thus no faith to disbelieve in gods.

    Also, if a theist is making this claim than they are once again making something they possess seem bad. Is Faith a bad thing to religious theists? No, it's necessary for maintaining their beliefs, so what are they complaining about?

Atheism means ABSOLUTE Disbelief


    Fundamentalists are most likely the perpetrators of this misconception. The idea that atheists leave absolutely no room for the possibility of god's existing. While it differs from atheist to atheist the majority of atheists are equal parts agnostic. This means that while I may currently view your deity as fictional I am also open to the idea it exists if you can provide evidence. I cannot pretend to have absolute knowledge that a given god does or does not exist.

    There are atheists who profess absolute disbelief, but they are hard to find. I've spoken  to dozens of people in my life who profess absolute belief and indeed absolute KNOWLEDGE of God but never spoken to any who profess absolute disbelief or KNOWLEDGE that there is NO GOD.

    Some middle-of-the-road Agnostics refuse to adopt the atheist label because they to don't know that most atheists are also agnostic. It doesn't bother me that they want to retain the middle ground but when they stoop to claiming intellectual superiority over atheists by way of this misconception about absolute disbelief it really does get on my nerves.

    Another point worth making is that every god claim is different. I make no claim about GODS on the whole. There might be gods out there and I have little reason to debate deistic god claims. But if you come to me with Yahweh, Zeus, Jesus, or Allah chances are I will be more strong in my rejection of them. Why? Because I've researched and learned about those gods and understand the logical and factual holes in the idea that they exist.

The Definition of Atheism and Theism -

Just so there can be no confusion -

Theism - Belief in god(s).

Atheism - No belief in god(s).

Atheist = Evolutionist

    This is a category error I've run into a handful of times in my journeys on the interweb. Some theists, usually Creationists, have seen fit to confuse the term atheist with the term evolutionist. I'm still not sure why they use the term Evolutionist to begin with. It seems to me that inventing a derogatory term for someone who accepts well documented scientific fact is exceedingly stupid. It's like making fun of someone who accepts that the Earth really does go around the sun, perhaps terming us Helioists. Or Neanderthals insulting their tribesman for believing in the theory of fire.

    Not all atheists accept evolution. This may seem far out but, as I document regularly in my Into the Weird hub-series the world is FULL of varied and NUANCED beliefs. Some atheists are actually part of the ancient astronaut crowd, they think that aliens came down and helped life on Earth develop.

    Not all who accept evolution are atheists. This goes without saying, there are plenty of people who have adapted their theistic or religious beliefs to include the theory of Evolution. Instead of a literal six day creation some believe Genesis is more metaphor and allegory and that evolution is how God created.

Atheists are angry at God

    How can you be angry at something or someone that you don't believe is real?

    If I'm angry it's because I see intelligent people forgoing critical thinking and sound logic in order to believe a fairy-tale. It is also especially aggravating when fundamentalists defend the atrocities of the Biblical God when such a character, by almost any moral standard, would be considered indescribably evil. In other words I'm angry that characters which, as far as we can tell, are fictional are being believed in by otherwise intelligent people. I'm angry that religion is damaging the minds and in some cases the physical well-being of people on this planet.

    Let me put this in terms a nerd such as myself can truly appreciate. If someone out there believed in Darth Vader and believed that Darth Vader was holy and righteous because some space-tome said so. Let's say that despite the book depicting Vader committing genocide of innocent children they still defended Vader's actions and claimed he was not only a good guy but was wholly devoid of sin and evil. That's the sort of absurdity that would piss me, as a Star Wars fan, off and its the exact sort of nonsense I hear from fundamentalists all the time (only about their deity of course).

    Angry at stupid beliefs and the people that espouse them, sure. Angry at a fictional God, no.

Atheists are Satanists

    This one makes no sense to me. While it is true that there is a branch of Satanism that PERMITS atheists that branch is the one that doesn't believe Satan actually exists. As for the actual Satanists - atheists don't do that, mainly because we don't believe in Satan. You see a devil depends on a god to exist, without God the devil just becomes another character in a mythology. Believing in Satan while disbelieving in God is like believing in titans while disbelieving in the gods of Olympus.

    Of course this is likely a defense mechanism. Rather than accept the idea that someone could actually reject their claims some zealous believers will just lump anyone who disagrees in with the competition. I'm sure theists who happen to be of other faiths also get accused of this too and hell some fundamentalists might go so far as to turn on members of their own religion.

All Atheists are Nihilists

    This one really drives me crazy. The assertion that all atheists are nihilists typically comes in the form of "Oh you're an atheist, that means you believe in NOTHING." or endless assertions about how love, morality and life itself have no meaning without God. Poppycock.

    First off we have a false presupposition that WITH God life has meaning. Sorry but your life has very little meaning if it lasts forever. And it's not just you who is living forever, it's everyone. Whether you're a sinner in the ever-lasting fires of Hell or a saint walking through the pearly gates your life ceases to have meaning once it becomes eternal. Some will say that Paradise is itself the meaning of life. Making it into Heaven is the meaning of life? What are you planning on doing for eternity? Worshiping God? Walking down the same golden paved street every single night for ten billion years, than doing it again for the rest of ETERNITY? Just plain being HAPPY forever. Sorry but that doesn't sound very meaningful.

    Secondly an eternal life in a perfect paradise immediately cheapens everything you do here in your actual life on Earth. Watching a sunset with your significant other is meaningless if it doesn't help you store up treasure in Heaven. Speaking of which saving up money here on Earth is against Jesus's teachings. The Bible says that the splendor of Heaven can't compare with anything you can imagine and Islam's Paradise gives you not 1, not 2, but 72 virgins for your own personal pleasure.

    The true meaning of life comes from it's brevity. The fact that you can actually change the world, change people's lives, change your own life and that ALL counts for something in the here and now. Maybe it isn't eternal, but in the present and for the foreseeable future your actions can have serious consequences - actual meaning. Bowing down to Allah or Jesus forever on the other hand won't change a damn thing.

    As for this whole "Atheists believe in nothing" thing it's absolute nonsense. I believe in almost everything the average theist believes in, minus one thing, a deity.

Atheists Worship Science

No. Just no. Why would I, or anyone for that matter, worship the scientific method? Does science work? Yes. Is it responsible for a lot of knowledge we wouldn't otherwise have, such as medical knowledge that extends our lifespan? Yes. Is it atheistic in nature? No. There are scientists who believe in God. While science itself focuses on evidence and repeatability as opposed to superstition that doesn't mean it's inherently atheistic and it also doesn't mean I get down on my knees and do animal sacrifices on a Bunsen burner whilst praying to Carl Sagan.

The other form of this argument is claiming that atheists have "FAITH" in science. This isn't the same as FAITH in the existence of God. For one thing we know science exists, it's a methodology that we invented. We also know from centuries of past experience that science works reliably. When something is reliable and well-known we can trust it. If you want to call that trust FAITH that's fine but don't pretend it's the same faith that causes people to believe in God.

Atheists Worship Humanity or Themselves

    Some might but then there are self-absorbed people in ANY group. But the most insulting part of this idea is that it sometimes comes from theists who believe the entire Universe was created just for our species. So let me get this straight, we were specially created and LOVED by an ALL POWERFUL deity beyond our comprehension but atheists, who believe we're just a product of natural processes, are the ones worshiping humanity... Give me a break please.

    Do I like humans and value human life? Yes. Do I worship humans and think their sacred or the best thing to ever happen to the Universe? Not in the slightest. I guess to some the idea that there's a group of people who doesn't worship SOMETHING is frightening. I see no reason to worship ANY being, let alone my own reflection or the giants upon whose shoulders we stand.

Conlusion

      There are probably more but this hub has already gone on far longer than my hubs usually do. Hopefully this has cleared up some of the false claims about atheists. If you have any other misconceptions about atheists, or if you're religious and you'd like to argue on any of the points I've made, feel free to leave your comments below. Thanks for reading everyone!

Comments

olram 12 months ago

good point you have there. i salute thee!

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Austinstar Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago

Well written and accurate. I hope the religionist actually read and understand this hub. Doubtful, but maybe.

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 12 months ago

Thanks olram, thanks Austinstar.

I do hope the religious actually find this one and understand it. The sooner we all set the strawmen aside the sooner the real conversation can continue.

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emichael Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

I think a lot of Christians make the argument that atheism is a religion without really thinking through what that actually means. You are right, by definition, atheism is no religion, and it's a bit sensationalist to claim otherwise.

"Is Faith a bad thing to religious theists? No, it's necessary for maintaining their beliefs, so what are they complaining about?"

I think the reason so many Christians are adamant about this idea is because one of the cornerstones of the atheist argument is that they submit only to reason and logic whereas the Christian submits to irrational claims of faith. So Christians hope, it would seem, to show that the beliefs (or lack there of) of the atheist, require a bit of "irrationality" on their part, as well. Again, this is not my belief, but I think it may explain why this argument exists. Of course, there is a category mistake inherent in this argument which you correctly point out.

When Christians claim that atheism requires faith, what some of them probably mean to say is that belief in evolution requires faith. The latter being a more valid argument than the former. The reason being whereas you argue for evolution as a proven fact, Christians believe it to be just as impossible to prove scientifically as creation. But it is unfair to play the faith card on atheists blaketly.

"While science itself focuses on evidence and repeatability as opposed to superstition that doesn't mean it's inherently atheistic and it also doesn't mean I get down on my knees and do animal sacrifices on a Bunsen burner whilst praying to Carl Sagan."

Hah...nice.

Obviously we still differ in the fundamentals of our beliefs, but I appreciate your main point here. Christians should be careful of sensationalist claims like these and work at being a little better informed.

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AntonOfTheNorth Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

Clear, rational positions well presented, Titen.

(you know I won't just leave it at that, though) :)

Anytime we deal with someone through their label, (Atheist, Christian, Democrat, Canadian, Religious), we are missing an opportunity.

"Religion hasn't come very far when it comes to combating atheism."

It has come just as far combating atheism as it has combating other religions, which is to say, not at all. The moment one position holds itself over another and seeks to keep the other from existing, combat ensues.

Your goal, as I interpret it in hubs is to see religion eliminated. This is fundamentally the same position held by those who would like to see atheism vanish. Both see the other as a blight on society that should be removed. (I'm over simplifying myself, but well. . .)

This is primarily an emotional response.

The only way to have any meaningful discussion is to stop calling each other idiots.

"The reason for this is simple, apologists cannot offer answers to the questions posed by those of us who doubt the veracity of religious claims."

The reason is not that simple. They are offering answers, but they are refuted by the notion that the veracity of their claim can only be demonstrated rationally. This is true to a rationalist but is not true to someone who trusts their emotion more than their thought processes. While I agree with you about the veracity of the bible, I rejected it on emotional grounds long before I looked for the rational argument to support my emotions. Not everyone trusts their intellect, just like I don't trust my ability to run marathons or grow crops.

It does not further any cause to seek the elimination of another point of view. We have to feel to accept, not just think.

No one makes a bad choice on purpose. Everyone makes the choice they believe in.

It is emotional. Your expression of your choice not to believe is clearly emotional. I haven't seen too many atheists post here that did not come to their belief for emotional reasons.

You can't expect the non rationalist to discount their emotions when yours are also apparent in your position. (That's the crux of the 'atheism is faith too!' position of theists)

But always glad to read your hubs and comments. I have gained a great deal in doing so.

cheers

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 12 months ago

"Obviously we still differ in the fundamentals of our beliefs, but I appreciate your main point here. Christians should be careful of sensationalist claims like these and work at being a little better informed."

Thanks emichael. The sooner atheists and theists understand each other's positions correctly the quicker the discussion will move forward, at least that's my hope.

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mrpopo 12 months ago

Good hub. A misconception that really bothers me is that atheists/agnostics are "immoral", or that you can't have morality without belief in a god.

The semantics between atheism and agnosticism aren't really an issue. I think most atheists are agnostics and most agnostics are atheists, as in the overlap you demonstrated. They're just labels. Sure, there are a few atheists that claim to know with absolute certainty that no gods exist, but that kind of attitude is similar to an absolute certainty that god(s) does exist.

Discovery of knowledge is rarely about certainty anyway.

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 12 months ago

@Anton

"Your goal, as I interpret it in hubs is to see religion eliminated."

I wouldn't use the word eliminated, more phased out. It's something I would like to see happen organically, stemming from constant discussion and debate that slowly but surely convinces people that there's no reason to believe. Of course I imagine we'll always have religious belief of some kind and in no way do I think that without religion humanity would be in paradise (we'd still find plenty of fight about). It's not really my goal though, just a far distant possible outcome of the entire world engaging in this discussion.

"The only way to have any meaningful discussion is to stop calling each other idiots."

Indeed and I try not to be insulting to theists, although I do sometimes do artwork that makes fun of the beliefs themselves. It's the beliefs that are at issue here not the people who hold them, most of them were just taught to hold those beliefs as children anyway.

"It does not further any cause to seek the elimination of another point of view."

There are some points of view that I would deem unacceptable however, such as religious practices involving genital mutilation or those who chose to withhold medical care from their children in favor of faith healing. The right to have your own point of view extends only until you start harming someone else because of your beliefs. Like I said though I wouldn't want these points of view "eliminated". In fact I wouldn't mind a future in which only the positive aspects of religion, the sense of community and attention to charity, were present with only a vague notion of some benevolent god or force.

"But always glad to read your hubs and comments."

Thanks for the comment Anton, always a pleasure :)

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 12 months ago

@mrpopo

The morality thing is a big one but since I sort of covered it in my last hub I left it out of this one. That one just seems so obviously wrong because everyone has a moral sense, other than perhaps psychopaths, a natural intuitive empathy regardless of beliefs.

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AntonOfTheNorth Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

@Titen

". . . more phased out. . ."

Of course, us theists are aiming for when the debate slowly but surely convinces people that there's no reason NOT to believe. But I'm with you.

"The right to have your own point of view extends only until you start harming someone else because of your beliefs."

There, sir, is the next amendment to both of our constitutions.

cheers

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pay2cEM Level 1 Commenter 11 months ago

Nice job. With regards to atheism being a religion....I'm reminded of the quote, "Atheism is a religion in the same sense that not stamp collecting is a hobby."

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 11 months ago

Thanks pay2cEM. There's a lot of those little idioms floating around, I've always liked the one, "Atheism is a religion in the way that health is a disease".

Dan 11 months ago

I know not all atheists are nihilists, but nihilism is the logical outcome of atheism; most atheists just don't have the guts to follow their thinking through to its conclusion. For example:

"The true meaning of life comes from it's brevity. The fact that you can actually change the world, change people's lives, change your own life and that ALL counts for something in the here and now. Maybe it isn't eternal, but in the present and for the foreseeable future your actions can have serious consequences - actual meaning."

Our actions *can* affect ourselves and our world...in the short term. But it makes no difference in the end. We all die. The earth burns up as the sun expands. The universe dies a cold death. There is no objective meaning. You can make up a meaning that makes you feel good about yourself if you want. But it's only meaningful in your head. Whatever you choose to value and whatever you do in your brief life make no objective difference.

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 11 months ago

Your life can affect the world in objectively verifiable ways however even if the ultimate destiny of the Universe is to burn out. It is true that in the end life has no objective eternal meaning.

I don't think that atheism necessarily leads one to nihilism, for one thing that excludes all the versions of atheism that include an afterlife (Buddhists with reincarnation for example) or some for of Universal justice like karma. Some atheists do still cling to those sorts of beliefs.

JacksBlogs 11 months ago

Having looked at most of the comments here I don't want to say any more because I will be "singing to the choir". But, hey guys, just remember "Faith is acceptance of the absurd." and "Religion poisons everything." After you and I got to that point we are shocked at the ignorance around us. I want to just grab people and shake them and say, "What are you thinking? Give up this dangerous obsession with first (or seventh) century mythology and apply your talents and money in a more useful way." But if I turned into a proselytizer for atheism I would acquire one of the worst aspects of religions. Good luck everyone - and read what I say over on my HUBs if interested. I am talking about trafficking now and will switch to religion shortly. I am having so much fun! JACK

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joecseko Level 1 Commenter 11 months ago

All I can say (as it's all time permits at the moment) is AWESOME!

rorshak sobchak 11 months ago

I just took a religious studies class in college and this was an interesting write up! This was something that wasn't talked about much in my class that I wanted to learn more about. Good job and thank you!

rorshak sobchak

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Trish_M Level 6 Commenter 11 months ago

Hi :)

As you may guess, I agree with most, if not all, of this!

I wouldn't want to eliminate religion ~ just the attitude that agnostics and atheists are inherently 'wrong', immoral and set for hell.

Definitely I agree that "The right to have your own point of view extends only until you start harming someone else because of your beliefs."

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Soldieringon Level 2 Commenter 10 months ago

I've read over this hub a couple times now, and I just keep coming back to it. As an Atheist myself, I have even referred others to it.

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Titen-Sxull Hub Author 10 months ago

@Soldieringon

Thanks

Knowing that people are still reading this kinda makes me want to go back and do a proof-read. Glad you found it useful =D

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jainismus Level 5 Commenter 6 weeks ago

This is a great Hub, useful for Atheist in answering questions asked by believers. Voted up and shared.

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joecseko Level 1 Commenter 6 weeks ago

Dude, I came back and read this again. This is a masterful work, to say the least. Being 'mostly atheist' (I'm an epistemologist) I think you nailed some very important points.

This piece far outshines my writing on atheism.

Oh, and to the dude above me in the comments- atheist is not a proper noun such as Christian or Jew are-- it's not capitalized. Making it a proper noun almost detracts from it's true meaning.

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